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Subject :Re: Holyfield-Sherman Williams 11/5 in Detroit...then Vitali???..
13-08-2010 17:18:16
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Subject :Holyfield-Sherman Williams 11/5 in Detroit...then Vitali???..
11-08-2010 15:19:00
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When is the next fight?
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Holyfield-Sherman Williams 11/5 in Detroit...then Vitali???
According to ESPN, Holyfield's people have confirmed that Evander will fight 37-year old jouneyman Sherman Williams November 5 in Detroit. Williams is 37 years old; a decent puncher, with 19 KOs in 34(?) career wins against so-so opposition; is 5'11", 250-260 lbs; and has a good chin; stopped only once in 11 career defeats...looks like a good opponent for Holyfield to showcase his skills.
The bigger news is that WBC president Jose Sulaiman has reportedly stated that he would approve of an early-2011 Holyfield-Vitali Klitschko matchup, should Evander get past Williams.
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Subject :Ni de Shanghai Peng nuo shuo ni hao!..
02-08-2010 08:24:19
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When is the next fight?
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Any news if holyfield is fighting soon?
Dear Mr. Holyfield -
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Are you open to view proposals in the fastest, and most exciting, city in the World! Shanghai!
Let us know.
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Subject :Re: come on!!!!! keep it rolling!!!..
12-07-2010 08:58:44
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Subject :Re: Any news if holyfield is fighting soon?..
12-07-2010 08:54:24
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When is the next fight?
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Any news if holyfield is fighting soon?
He needs to get a fight asap. The win vs Botha was decent but he needs momentum now. No good going another year and a half without fighting. Its now or never for Holy.
If he is serious about having one last shot he needs another 3 or 4 fights against both type opposition(no slicksters Holy just cant catch them these days). And then step it up against a top 10 guy.
Time is running out for Evander.
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Subject :Re: When WAS Holyfield's prime?.....
12-07-2010 08:50:47
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When WAS Holyfield's prime?...
I would agree with what Treben has to say. Evanders physical prime was in his run up to the h/w championship and his 4 title defences(up to the loss to Bowe).
After this his punch output dropped off, he was no longer the all out punching machine he was in his youth. He learned to pick his spots better and conserve stamina.
However even though he was physically past his prime he was a much better all round fighter post Bowe, able to stick to and execute a game plan much more effectivly. The way he broke down both Moorer and tyson was a good indicator of this.
But after Moorer 2 his physical decline was much more pronounced. His only fought in spurts and on numerous times his reflexs and gas tank would let him down(Lewis 2 , Ruiz 2,3). He would have guys going but was unable to finish them off.
You cant beat father time, but it goes to show how good a fighter Holy is that even far removed from his prime he was able to hang with the best of the division , and in some cases still beat them (I will still say he was robbed in Lewis 2 and defo robbed vs Valuev).
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Subject :Re: Any news if holyfield is fighting soon?..
07-07-2010 17:08:38
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Any news if holyfield is fighting soon?
I've read reports that Evander is tentatively scheduled to fight Brien Nielsen in November.
I posted my thoughts on the fight in a reply to one of the topics in the 'General Discussion' section of the Forum. |
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Subject :Any news if holyfield is fighting soon?..
06-07-2010 13:31:43
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Subject :Re: When WAS Holyfield's prime?.....
27-06-2010 11:11:12
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When WAS Holyfield's prime?...
You could certainly make the argument that the '96-'97 version is the best Holyfield. It was during that time that he solidified his legacy, dominating the overwhelming favorite Tyson, and confirming his superiority in the rematch...then the mid-fight adjustments he made against Moorer after struggling early...he baited Moorer in, and attacked like a pit bull with a well-rounded attack to body and head.
Therein lies the heart of the debate. As is so often the case with professional athletes; it's a trade-off. The late-'80s/early-'90s version of Evander was a supremely conditioned athlete, who could do it all physically. He could throw crisp, sharp punches in bunches that were absolutely beautiful to watch. We haven't seen a heavyweight since who could do it the way Evander did at that time. In doing so, however, he left himself open to counters, and was more than willing to dig his heels in and go to war when it wasn't necessarily in his best interest.
The '96-'97 version was a smarter, crafty fighter who was disciplined enough to execute his strategy. He may have lost half a step at that time in terms of physical capability, but certainly compensated for it with ring savvy. He didn't go to war with Tyson because he was smart enough and disciplined enough to know that he didn't have to. Even when Tyson came on strong in the 5th round, Evander remained calm, stepped back, took a deep breath, and continued to execute what he set out to do. Would the younger Evander have been able to restrain himself from trading blows?
I compare it to another legend from another sport: Michael Jordan. Which Jordan was the best Jordan- the '88 version who defied gravity and took off from the free throw line? -or the older, wiser version of 10 years later who won MVPs and championships with his guile as well as his athleticism? No, Jordan was no longer able to soar through the air by '98, but was a better all-around basketball player at 35 than he was at 25. The same could be said of Evander. |
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Subject :Re: When WAS Holyfield's prime?.....
26-06-2010 13:02:24
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Subject :When WAS Holyfield's prime?.....
21-06-2010 23:05:53
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When WAS Holyfield's prime?...
Throughout his 25+ year career, Evander Holyfield has established himself as one of the true legends of the sport. With that extensive a resume, and that lengthy a career, it's difficult to pinpoint exactly what version of Holyfield we think when we think of a prime Holyfield. It's interesting to ask: which Holyfield do you think of when pairing Holyfield against legends from decades gone by? We obviously ponder these dream matchups envisioning each fighter in his prime. But when exactly was Holyfield's prime?...
The Cruiserweight version: The Holyfield who beat Qawi in '86 was a whirlwind, throwing ridiculous volleys of punches throughout the duration of 15 rounds. It was the first display we'd seen of Holyfield's now-legendary heart. However, he was still pretty green only 12 fights into his career. The Holyfield who starched Qawi in 4 the following year was a more polished, complete fighter, sitting on his punches more with obvious effect. During his Cruiserweight reign, Evander beat Qawi twice, stopped Henry Tillman, took Ricky Parkey apart in 3 for the IBF strap, overwhelmed Ossie Ocasio, and stopped Carlos DeLeon in 8 roundsto unify. He was never beaten at Cruiserweight and would have likely reigned for years had he not vacated to pursue Tyson.
The Heavyweight Contender: '88-'90
This version of Evander was never defeated; stopping Quick Tillis in 5, a past-his-prime Pinklon Thomas in 7, outlasting Michael Dokes (in an action-packed war!) taking him out in 10, zapped the durable Adilson Rodrigues in 2 with a single right hand to the temple, had a tougher-than-it-needed-to-be stoppage win over the 24-0, 24 KO Alex Stewart, and took Seamus McDonagh out with one left hook in 4 rounds.
This version of Evander was a man on a mission who often neglected to utilize his skills and opted for unnecessary warfare.
The Undisputed Heavyweight King ('90-'92):
This version of Evander was, in retrospect, unfairly criticized by the boxing world. He blasted Buster Douglas out with one right hand to win the undisputed title, but was never given full credit due to the lack of preparation on the part of Douglas. Overlooked was the fact that Evander's performance was flawless.
His defense against George Foreman was one of the very best fights of Holyfield's career, yet he was ripped by the media for failing to stop a 42-yaer old fat guy>>who...oh by the way...would regain the heavyweight title 3 1/2 years later...
His defense against Bert Cooper was scary to say the least, and critics again chastised Evander, this time for nearly being stopped by a last-minute replacement trialhorse fighter. Lost in their criticism was the fact that we'd witnessed another display of vintage Holyfield, battling back from the brink of disaster and showing arguably the greatest exhibition of sheer willpower we've ever seen from him.
His defense against Larry Holmes was a lackluster affair, mainly attributed to a Holmes elbow which opened a severe gash over Holyfield's eye, forcing him to take a cautious approach. Holyfield's refusal to sucker into the antics of the crafty Holmes also played a part in the lack of action.
Then Riddick Bowe...
Holyfield valiantly but foolishly stood toe-to-toe with the bigger, younger, stronger Bowe and suffered the first loss of his career, yet managed to win more fans and respect than in all of his previous wins combined.
"Once Again...Heavyweight Champion..." ('93):
The Holyfield who regained the crown from Bowe was a bulked-up, stronger, determined man obsessed with defeating his conqueror. Utilizing movement, establishing a terrific jab, and of course, occasionally engaging Bowe like a bulldog, Holyfield had arguably the most complete performance of his career.
"The Warrior" ('95-'99):
Holyfield returned from his title-losing effort against Michael Moorer (and subsequent retirement in '94) against the rugged Ray Mercer. In typical Holyfield fashion, Evander outdueled Mercer in an entertaining dogfight, dropping the iron-chinned Mercer for the first time in his career with a single left hook.
Holyfield took on rival Riddick Bowe again in his next fight. Holyfield, battling through an obvious illness, had Bowe on the deck in the 6th, but was simply too exhausted to mount a finish. Evander was stopped 2 rounds later.
Holyfield then stopped the under-sized Bobby Czyz in a performance that failed to impress.
The long-awaited dream fight with Mike Tyson finally came to fruition in November '96, with Evander executing his gameplan to perfection in a career-defining performance to become 3-time heavyweight champion. Holyfield dominated Tyson in every way, though skeptics still insisted that it would have been different had they met earlier in their careers.
Holyfield appeared on his way to another one-sided beatdown of Tyson in the '97 rematch when "The Baddest Man on The Planet" resorted to biting,
Revenge against Michael Moorer followed in November '97 with Holyfield overcoming some rocky moments to overwhelm Moorer, dropping him to the canvas five times and stopping him emphatically in 8, winning the IBF title in the process.
A somewhat sloppy decision win followed in Holyfield's title defense against Vaughn Bean.
Holyfield then faced Lennox Lewis in a highly anticipated matchup to unify. Holyfield and Lewis fought to a draw in the first fight in March, though most observers believe Lewis deserved the nod...
...and Lewis won a unanimous decision in the rematch, with the majority of ringside observers giving Evander the edge. Neither fight really dazzled the audience, though that is mostly attributed to Lewis' safety-first approach. Stylistically, it may very well be that Lewis would have given Evander difficulty at any stage of their respective careers, but Holyfield, by this stage of his career at age 37, certainly didn't have the punch output he once possessed.
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Holyfield continues to fight on at age 47, but is long since removed from his heyday.
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When was Holyfield's prime?
If I had to pinpoint it...and narrow it down to one night's version...
I would take the October 25, 1990 version of Evander Holyfield. Against ANY of the All-time greats,I wouldn't bet against the Holyfield who KOd Douglas.
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Subject :Re: What's next for The Real Deal? - Article..
04-06-2010 19:26:32
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What's next for The Real Deal? - Article
According to reports, it looks like Evander will be taking on Brien Nielsen on November 27th. The big Dane is best known for racking up a 40-something-and-0 record against limited opposition several years ago before being stopped by a past-his-prime Mike Tyson. I haven't done any research on Nielsen, so I'm not sure what's happened with him post-Tyson. From what I've read, however, Nielsen is 45, and has been inactive for 8 years. This looks to be little more than a 'keep busy' fight for Evander -which he desperately needs at this stage of his career- and certainly one in which he should shine.
As fans of Holyfield, we can't help but recognize the fact that the clock is ticking. Time is obviously not on Evander's side. Upon reading this report, my initial reaction was disappointment. At 47 years of age, he needs a big fight NOW, one would think...not a meaningless fight against a 45 year old opponent who has not stepped foot in the ring in nearly a decade...However, the upside is that Evander is keeping busy against an opponent who would appear to pose little threat, and whose style offers ample opportunity for Evander to sharpen and hone his skills. The argument can certainly be made that fighting Nielsen does nothing to preapare Holyfield for the likes of David Haye or the Klitschko brothers. Those who present that argument -while correct in doing so- are missing the point. If Holyfield can follow up the Botha stoppage with another impressive KO win...who knows?...
At this stage of Evander's end game, he knows full well that he cannot afford a loss to a legitimate threat like David Tua, or Tomasz Adamek, or Chris Arreola, etc. That's not to say that he wouldn't beat those guys; but why take the risk if he can take the path of least resistance to another title shot? It worked before. Coming off his NYSAC license revocation, Evander made his comeback against Jeremy Bates, Fres Oquendo, Vinny Maddalone, and Lou Savarese (good, solid fighters, but not the threat of, say, Samuel Peter...) en route to not one -but two consecutive- title shots; against Sultan Ibragimov and Nikolai Valuev...without having to beat a top-10 contender. That's not to suggest that Evander didn't earn the title shots -I believe he earned them by simply keeping busy and looking more impressive than the majority of the "new generation" of heavyweights who have simply failed to snatch the torch and take over the division.
In his first fight back since Valuev in December of '08, Evander executed his game plan against the rugged former champion, Botha, and impressively stopped him. If he can look impressive and stop Nielsen, I believe he will get another shot. With that in mind, the Nielsen fight is anything but meaningless. |
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Subject :What's next for The Real Deal? - Article..
13-05-2010 11:08:02
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Subject :come on!!!!! keep it rolling!!!..
08-05-2010 14:41:54
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Subject :Re: SO WHATS NEXT FOR THE CHAMP????????????????????????..
14-04-2010 09:36:59
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Subject :Re: SO WHATS NEXT FOR THE CHAMP????????????????????????..
13-04-2010 13:06:54
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Subject :Re: SO WHATS NEXT FOR THE CHAMP????????????????????????..
13-04-2010 09:52:56
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SO WHATS NEXT FOR THE CHAMP????????????????????????
I've heard both David Tua and Ray Austin's names mentioned as possibilities for Evander's next fight. I believe Evander would have his way with both of them, particularly the short, straight-ahead slugger, Tua. Evander would pick him apart.
As for Bowe? Initially, I was of the opinion that Holyfield-Bowe IV should not materialize, as to not tarnish one of the greatest ring rivalries of all time. But if Evander is unable to secure a shot at one of the titles- why not? You can probably count on one hand how many heavyweight matchups would draw more PPV revenue. Think about it: Critics and insiders have been urging Holyfield to retire for some time now; suggesting that his quest is "delusional". However, name any heavyweight matchup that would draw as much interest as one that involved Evander fighting for a title--outside of perhaps David Haye vs either of the Klitschkos or Vitali and Wlad squaring off which we all know will never happen. I literally cannot think of another PPV-worthy heavyweight matchup. I know Holyfield-Botha was not a promotional blockbuster by any means, but the significance of his performance has no doubt raised some eyebrows and generated some curiosity and interest in Evander's future performances.
As for Holy's performance against Botha, there is no overstating the significance of Evander's ability to let his hands go against the awkward octopus Botha. As I have stated before, I expected Botha to employ the same strategy as John Ruiz in their ugly trilogy: tying Evander up, wearing him down with clinching and mauling and neutralizing Evander's ability to counter. He did indeed employ that same strategy, but not with the same level of effectiveness as Ruiz, due to the fact that Evander let his hands go. He put his punches together and stayed busy in the trenches. When given the opportunity to counter, he countered beautifully and with power and precision. A forty-seven year-old is not supposed to still be able to do this!
This puts Holyfield right in the thick of things. Anybody who now dares to suggest that Evander is on a "delusional" quest isn't paying attention... |
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Subject :SO WHATS NEXT FOR THE CHAMP????????????????????????..
12-04-2010 09:54:21
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SO WHATS NEXT FOR THE CHAMP????????????????????????
so, we on a roll now, back to winning ways, title ( i no its only a minor one ) round our waste
but most of all, the HOLYFIELD name is back in the mix
we dont want to mess with HAYE yet!!
the KLIT brothers are already got fights in the pipe line
so we need another fight say july time, we need a name, but dont want to much of a war on the 2nd fight back
so i think maybe .Fres Oquendo or Ray Austin who are above us in the ranks, we are now 23rd in the world
or maybe , just to keep bizz and to earn some money, why not RIDDICK BOWE
what do you lot think???
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Subject :Re: AND THE NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!..
12-04-2010 08:34:50
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AND THE NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!
Congratulation champion!
This was a really good fight of you.
In the first two, three round though one did not notice you, nevertheless, very long has boxed, nevertheless, as you then has become warm and the first good actions have succeeded, nevertheless, one saw the unique class of Evander Holyfield again.
I saw the fight live on the Internet and would have died with excitement fast!
Evander, it are my biggest model and I wish you you to you your dream can still realise.
I believe in you!
Unfortunately, Excuse me, my English does not very feel well.
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Subject :Re: AND THE NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!..
11-04-2010 19:14:38
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Subject :Re: AND THE NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!..
11-04-2010 18:33:22
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I've posted my concerns about the Holyfield-Botha matchup on this site more than once: Botha's a big, strong, awkward guy who would use mauling tactics to try and frustrate and wear Holyfield down...etc...
Through the first 4 or 5 rounds, I felt as though my concerns were validated. I questioned whether it was a case of Holyfield simply being unable to find his rhythm against the awkward Botha, or if Holyfield was simply biding his time and looking to step on the gas in the middle rounds. Well,....
Holyfield indeed stepped on the gas. He caught Botha with crisp, hard powershots in the 6th, and continued to repeatedly tag Botha in the 7th, making good use of his free hand in the clinches to not only outwork Botha in the trenches, but put a beating on him.
The sizzling right hand counter that dropped Botha in the 8th was a thing of beauty. And the follow-up onslaught that forced the stoppage moments later was a barrage of lefts and rights thrown with laser-beam precision. The stoppage seemed a bit premature, until Botha was seen shaking his head, indicating he'd had enough. There was no protesting the stoppage from Botha or anyone else in his camp.
Holyfield graded his performance a "70", and emphatically stated that he knows he can do better.
Congrats, Champ!!! Great performance!!! This win will undoubtedly lead to bigger things and I can't wait to tune in to the next chapter of the Holyfield Saga... |
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Subject :Re: AND THE NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!..
11-04-2010 14:30:21
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Awesome!!!! Congrats champ!!! Great performance. I don't know what the commentators were talking about when they said Botha won the early round - he seemed to throw and grab right away. But anyway, you took care of business. Great job!!!! |
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Subject :AND THE NEWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!..
11-04-2010 05:00:19
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Subject :Re: Hoyfield - Botha April 10 in Vegas..
10-04-2010 23:18:22
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Hoyfield - Botha April 10 in Vegas
Holyfield win by (T) KO in Round 8!
Thank you Holy!
I'am a very big Fan and i still believe in you!
You are the greatest HW off all Time!
Now you are 47 Years old and you still Boxing.
You love your Sport - You are the Warrior!
I love to see you fighting and i hope you make you Dream comes True!
Sorry my English is nit very good (I'am from Austria)
I have seen the fight in the Internet and hope you will fight again when you will did that!
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Subject :Re: Hoyfield - Botha April 10 in Vegas..
09-04-2010 17:25:35
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Subject :Re: Hoyfield - Botha April 10 in Vegas..
08-04-2010 12:38:50
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Subject :Re: GOOD LUCK CHAMP!!!..
08-04-2010 08:35:54
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Subject :GOOD LUCK CHAMP!!!..
07-04-2010 15:46:16
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GOOD LUCK CHAMP!!!
good luck for the fight this week champ, i will be watching from the uk
setting my alarm with my wife to find a stream to watch the fight at 1am sunday morning
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Subject :any news for the fans..
31-03-2010 14:58:42
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Subject :Re: Hoyfield - Botha April 10 in Vegas..
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